Anton Troynikov of Chroma, Flo Crivello of Lindy AI, and Nathan Labenz of Waymark and co-host of The Cognitive Revolution podcast join Erik Torenberg for a timely debate on the issues raised in the AI open letter which advocates for a 6-month pause on AI system trainings. Dan and Antonio will be back next week. We record our interviews with Riverside. Go to bit.ly/Riverside_MoZ + use code ZEN for 20%.

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LINKS:
Open letter: futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Scott Aronson blog post: scottaaronson.blog/


TIMESTAMPS:

(3:00) Explanation of the AI open letter

(3:50) Anton’s skepticism of the open letter

(7:00) Flo’s skepticism of the open letter

(13:00) Nathan’s support for the open letter

(15:39) Sponsors

(20:00) Differences between Flo and Anton’s positions

(30:00) GPT4 is still dangerous

(38:00) Luddites/“Pausers” are on the wrong side of history

(42:00) Why not pause 6 months?

(50:00) Anton and Flo debate robotics

(56:00) What we’re all scared of with AI

(1:21:00) Is there asymmetric risk with pausing or not pausing?


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